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Il n'est dans l'int\u00e9r\u00eat de personne qu'il en soit ainsi, ni des Suisses ni des populations concern\u00e9es. Mais vous avez raison de dire que c'est difficile et qu'on repousse le moment de la d\u00e9cision de mois en mois parce qu'on esp\u00e8re toujours qu'il y ait suffisamment d'am\u00e9liorations pour qu'on puisse accepter. Toutefois, je crois que le moment de v\u00e9rit\u00e9 arrivera au cours des prochaines semaines puisque les responsables doivent r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 un certain nombre de questions.</p>\n<p>Je voudrais ajouter que, lorsqu'on accuse la partie turque d'avoir commenc\u00e9 des travaux de r\u00e9alisation avant que les conditions soient remplies, elle r\u00e9pond toujours, ce qui plaide aussi pour elle, que les travaux n'ont pas commenc\u00e9, que ce ne sont que des travaux de pr\u00e9paration qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 entrepris. C'est vrai. Par exemple, lorsque vous commencez \u00e0 construire des cantines pour les ouvriers, est-ce que ce sont des travaux de construction du barrage ou des travaux de pr\u00e9paration? Il y a quelques divergences sur ce point-l\u00e0.</p>\n<p>Je r\u00e9p\u00e8te que le gouvernement suisse souhaite pouvoir dire oui, mais qu'il ne le fera pas aux d\u00e9pens des conditions pos\u00e9es. Cependant, il faut aussi savoir que si les Suisses, les Autrichiens et les Allemands quittent le site, d'autres viendront les remplacer, qui ne rempliront aucune des conditions voulues par la Suisse, l'Autriche et l'Allemagne.</p>\n<p>[PAGE 1690] </p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20081208","MeetingVerbalixOid":1736,"IdSession":"4806","SpeakerFirstName":"Pascal","SpeakerLastName":"Couchepin","SpeakerFullName":"Couchepin Pascal","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":23,"CantonName":"Wallis","CantonAbbreviation":"VS","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":5,"Start":"\/Date(1228728328601)\/","End":"\/Date(1228728423880)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877848738)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728328600+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728423880+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91383L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91383L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91383L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91383L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91383L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"91383","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"14364","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":1129,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Ich h\u00f6re, dass wir - diejenigen, die gegen\u00fcber diesem Projekt sehr kritisch sind - immer wieder vertr\u00f6stet werden. Wir m\u00fcssen auch immer wieder zur Kenntnis nehmen, dass die Auflagen nicht erf\u00fcllt werden. Ich m\u00f6chte von Ihnen, Herr Bundespr\u00e4sident, wissen: Wie garantieren Sie, dass nicht akzeptiert wird, dass diese Bedingungen infolge eines schleichenden Akzeptanzprozesses nicht erf\u00fcllt werden? Wie k\u00f6nnen Sie mir garantieren, dass auf diese Auflagen achtgegeben wird? </p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20081208","MeetingVerbalixOid":1736,"IdSession":"4806","SpeakerFirstName":"Silvia","SpeakerLastName":"Schenker","SpeakerFullName":"Schenker Silvia","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-F","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":12,"CantonName":"Basel-Stadt","CantonAbbreviation":"BS","ParlGroupName":"Sozialdemokratische Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"S","SortOrder":4,"Start":"\/Date(1228728290289)\/","End":"\/Date(1228728328601)\/","Function":"Mit-F","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877848735)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728290290+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728328600+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91384L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91384L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91384L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91384L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91384L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"91384","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"14364","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":50,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Vous avez certainement raison de dire qu'il y a un moment o\u00f9 il faut prendre une d\u00e9cision d\u00e9finitivement positive ou d\u00e9finitivement n\u00e9gative. Mais je crois que dans ce domaine, comme dans tous les autres domaines de la politique, on ne peut pas prendre des d\u00e9cisions sans tenir compte des cons\u00e9quences. Or nous savons que dans ce type de march\u00e9, il y a des candidats pour reprendre le projet qui n'ont pas le m\u00eame souci que la Suisse, l'Autriche et l'Allemagne pour les pr\u00e9occupations environnementales, pour les pr\u00e9occupations humaines - il y a des d\u00e9placements de personnes - et pour l'arch\u00e9ologie. Alors, d'un c\u00f4t\u00e9, nous sommes d\u00e9cid\u00e9s \u00e0 remplir les conditions environnementales, arch\u00e9ologiques et humaines, mais de l'autre, nous devons savoir que, si la Suisse, l'Autriche et l'Allemagne abandonnent ce projet, il sera probablement r\u00e9alis\u00e9 sans aucun respect pour ces conditions. </p>\n<p>D\u00e8s lors, faut-il accomplir un acte de courage, un peu stupide, qui consiste \u00e0 dire: \"On a l'\u00e2me pure\" - mais le r\u00e9sultat est catastrophique! -, ou essaie-t-on, comme on l'a fait ces derniers mois, de pousser dans le sens de la r\u00e9alisation des conditions, finalement dans l'int\u00e9r\u00eat des populations locales?</p>\n<p>On est l\u00e0, comme souvent en politique, dans une morale de responsabilit\u00e9. Dans ce cas, la morale de conviction est dangereuse.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20081208","MeetingVerbalixOid":1736,"IdSession":"4806","SpeakerFirstName":"Pascal","SpeakerLastName":"Couchepin","SpeakerFullName":"Couchepin Pascal","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":23,"CantonName":"Wallis","CantonAbbreviation":"VS","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":3,"Start":"\/Date(1228728179760)\/","End":"\/Date(1228728290289)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877848733)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728179760+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728290290+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91385L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91385L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91385L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91385L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91385L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"91385","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"14364","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":3869,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Herr Bundespr\u00e4sident, ich danke Ihnen f\u00fcr die Beantwortung der Frage. Ich bin dankbar daf\u00fcr, dass der Bundesrat die gesamte Entwicklung beobachtet, allein: Wann ist aus Sicht des Bundesrates der Punkt gekommen, um definitiv zu entscheiden, ob er bereit ist, die Exportrisikogarantie zur\u00fcckzuziehen oder nicht? Es sieht jetzt n\u00e4mlich eher so aus, als w\u00fcrde die Sache gem\u00e4ss Salamitaktik immer wieder verl\u00e4ngert und als w\u00fcrde, was jetzt geschieht, nur der Beobachterstatus aufrechterhalten. </p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20081208","MeetingVerbalixOid":1736,"IdSession":"4806","SpeakerFirstName":"Marlies","SpeakerLastName":"B\u00e4nziger","SpeakerFullName":"B\u00e4nziger Marlies","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-F","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":1,"CantonName":"Z\u00fcrich","CantonAbbreviation":"ZH","ParlGroupName":"Gr\u00fcne Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"G","SortOrder":2,"Start":"\/Date(1228728135683)\/","End":"\/Date(1228728179760)\/","Function":"Mit-F","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877848731)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728135683+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728179760+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91386L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91386L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91386L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91386L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=91386L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"91386","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"14364","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":50,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Apr\u00e8s que le comit\u00e9 d'experts comp\u00e9tent eut constat\u00e9 \u00e0 plusieurs reprises des inobservations des dispositions contractuelles relatives \u00e0 la mise en oeuvre du projet d'Ilisu, les trois assureurs-cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 l'exportation - autrichien, allemand et suisse - ont fait parvenir d\u00e9but octobre 2008 aux dirigeants du consortium l'\"environmental failure notice\" pr\u00e9vue pour les situations de ce type dans les contrats. Les \u00e9carts par rapport \u00e0 la proc\u00e9dure pr\u00e9vue ont ici \u00e9t\u00e9 clairement notifi\u00e9s et les assureurs-cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 l'exportation ont fait valoir leurs droits vis-\u00e0-vis des constructeurs turcs. Le d\u00e9lai de deux mois consenti pour remplir les conditions restantes n'est pas encore \u00e9chu. Les assureurs-cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 l'exportation et le comit\u00e9 d'experts ind\u00e9pendants entretiennent durant cette p\u00e9riode des contacts intensifs avec les responsables de projet turcs afin de les conseiller sur les mesures correctives. A l'\u00e9ch\u00e9ance du d\u00e9lai, les assureurs-cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 l'exportation examineront toutes les informations dont ils disposent avant de d\u00e9cider de la suite de la proc\u00e9dure.</p>\n<p>Lors de nos voyages respectifs en Turquie et lors de mon voyage en Turquie, Madame la conseill\u00e8re f\u00e9d\u00e9rale Leuthard et moi-m\u00eame avons fait part \u00e0 nos interlocuteurs turcs de nos pr\u00e9occupations n\u00e9es du fait que le comit\u00e9 d'experts ind\u00e9pendants avait observ\u00e9 que les mesures d'accompagnement n'\u00e9taient pas toutes mises en oeuvre selon les modalit\u00e9s pr\u00e9vues exactement.</p>\n<p>Le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral continuera d'observer de pr\u00e8s l'\u00e9volution du projet d'Ilisu. Il souhaite sa r\u00e9alisation mais il ne veut pas le faire en contradiction avec ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 convenu contractuellement avec le partenaire turc.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20081208","MeetingVerbalixOid":1736,"IdSession":"4806","SpeakerFirstName":"Pascal","SpeakerLastName":"Couchepin","SpeakerFullName":"Couchepin Pascal","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":23,"CantonName":"Wallis","CantonAbbreviation":"VS","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":1,"Start":"\/Date(1228728036169)\/","End":"\/Date(1228728135683)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877848730)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728036170+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1228728135683+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null}]},"ID":"14364","Language":"DE","IdMeeting":"1051","VerbalixOid":285798,"SortOrder":14,"Modified":"\/Date(1774877848728)\/"}}