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Dans son avis, le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral indique qu'il refuse une prise en charge financi\u00e8re et demande que le Canton du Jura assume la totalit\u00e9 des co\u00fbts, mais il pr\u00e9cise qu'il est dispos\u00e9 \u00e0 collaborer. Dans sa r\u00e9ponse qu'il vient de nous donner, Monsieur le pr\u00e9sident de la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration a affirm\u00e9 qu'il approuvait le principe d'un partage des co\u00fbts en tout cas avec le Canton du Jura.</p>\n<p>Comme je suis courageux mais pas t\u00e9m\u00e9raire, je vais me contenter de cela et j'annonce que je retire mon postulat.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20130926","MeetingVerbalixOid":2379,"IdSession":"4910","SpeakerFirstName":"Pierre-Alain","SpeakerLastName":"Fridez","SpeakerFullName":"Fridez Pierre-Alain","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":26,"CantonName":"Jura","CantonAbbreviation":"JU","ParlGroupName":"Sozialdemokratische Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"S","SortOrder":5,"Start":"\/Date(1380196810709)\/","End":"\/Date(1380196849331)\/","Function":"Mit-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877559507)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380196810710+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380196849330+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136280L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136280L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136280L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136280L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136280L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"136280","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"22838","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":146,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Ich kann mir durchaus vorstellen, dass wir mit dem Kanton zusammen eine L\u00f6sung finden, um dieses Problem zu l\u00f6sen. Ich denke aber eben: Der Lead sollte beim Kanton sein. Wenn der Kanton einen entsprechenden Vorschlag oder ein Projekt hat, k\u00f6nnte man \u00fcber eine angemessene Kostenbeteiligung diskutieren. Es stellt sich dann die Frage, wie weit man diesen Perimeter definiert und was tats\u00e4chlich alles untersucht werden soll. Aber wir haben ja das gleiche Interesse, wir haben nicht gerne einen schlechten Ruf in Bure, im Kanton Jura.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20130926","MeetingVerbalixOid":2379,"IdSession":"4910","SpeakerFirstName":"Ueli","SpeakerLastName":"Maurer","SpeakerFullName":"Maurer Ueli","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":1,"CantonName":"Z\u00fcrich","CantonAbbreviation":"ZH","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":4,"Start":"\/Date(1380194241399)\/","End":"\/Date(1380194274229)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877559505)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194241400+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194274230+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136281L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136281L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136281L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136281L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136281L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"136281","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"22838","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":4074,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Monsieur le pr\u00e9sident de la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration, je vous remercie pour votre r\u00e9ponse. Si je comprends bien, alors que \u00e7a n'\u00e9tait pas dit clairement dans la r\u00e9ponse au postulat, vous pouvez imaginer que la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration participe \u00e9galement financi\u00e8rement \u00e0 cette \u00e9tude? Il est \u00e9vident que cette \u00e9tude hydrog\u00e9ologique devrait non seulement porter sur la place d'armes, mais inclure tout le bassin versant.</p>\n<p>Pourriez-vous entrer en mati\u00e8re sur un partage de ces frais avec le canton du Jura?</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20130926","MeetingVerbalixOid":2379,"IdSession":"4910","SpeakerFirstName":"Pierre-Alain","SpeakerLastName":"Fridez","SpeakerFullName":"Fridez Pierre-Alain","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":26,"CantonName":"Jura","CantonAbbreviation":"JU","ParlGroupName":"Sozialdemokratische Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"S","SortOrder":3,"Start":"\/Date(1380194218416)\/","End":"\/Date(1380194241399)\/","Function":"Mit-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877559503)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194218417+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194241400+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136282L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136282L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136282L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136282L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136282L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"136282","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"22838","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":146,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Das Problem, das Herr Fridez anspricht, ist uns bekannt. Wir schenken der Entw\u00e4sserung des Waffenplatzes denn auch grosse Aufmerksamkeit. Wir haben in den letzten Jahren mit relativ hohem Aufwand immer wieder Entw\u00e4sserungsanlagen unterhalten und werden weiter etwa 2,5 Millionen Franken in die Entw\u00e4sserung investieren. Eine verbesserte Wirkung der R\u00fcckhaltebecken - es gelangt ja eigentlich kein Wasser aus dem Waffenplatz direkt in die \u00f6ffentlichen Gew\u00e4sser - und ein besseres Wartungskonzept sollten ebenfalls zu einer Verbesserung f\u00fchren. Wir haben aus unserer Sicht die Zusammenarbeit mit dem Kanton intensiviert, um bei Ereignissen, wie sie im Postulat geschildert werden, die Ursachen rascher identifizieren zu k\u00f6nnen. Es ist aber wahrscheinlich etwas zu einfach, den Waffenplatz als alleinigen Verursacher f\u00fcr die Tr\u00fcbungen darzustellen. Die Tr\u00fcbungen k\u00f6nnten auch andere Ursachen haben.</p>\n<p>Wir sind an der Kl\u00e4rung dieses Problems durchaus interessiert, sind aber der Meinung, dass nicht nur der Waffenplatz untersucht werden soll, wenn wir eine solche Untersuchung machen, sondern das gesamte Einzugsgebiet der Allaine, um festzustellen, was da tats\u00e4chlich passiert. Die Konzentration auf den Waffenplatz gen\u00fcgt wahrscheinlich nicht. Aus diesem Grund meinen wir auch, dass eine allf\u00e4llige Untersuchung vom Kanton durchgef\u00fchrt und geleitet werden soll, damit wir eben eine neutralere Untersuchung haben. Das VBS ist gern bereit, den Kanton bei den entsprechenden Arbeiten zu unterst\u00fctzen.</p>\n<p>Der Vorschlag des Postulanten, sich auf den Waffenplatz zu konzentrieren, wird dem Problem wohl nicht gerecht. Eine Zusammenarbeit mit dem Kanton - denn es ist ein \u00f6ffentliches Gew\u00e4sser - unter F\u00fchrung des Kantons scheint uns richtiger zu sein. So w\u00fcrden wir Ihnen beantragen, das Postulat abzulehnen. Wenn schon, soll durch den Kanton eine Untersuchung im gesamten Einzugsgebiet gemacht werden. Das w\u00fcrden wir entsprechend unterst\u00fctzen.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20130926","MeetingVerbalixOid":2379,"IdSession":"4910","SpeakerFirstName":"Ueli","SpeakerLastName":"Maurer","SpeakerFullName":"Maurer Ueli","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":1,"CantonName":"Z\u00fcrich","CantonAbbreviation":"ZH","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":2,"Start":"\/Date(1380194077456)\/","End":"\/Date(1380194218416)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877559503)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194077457+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194218417+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136283L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136283L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136283L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136283L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=136283L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"136283","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"22838","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":4074,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>En Ajoie, l'\u00e9tat de sant\u00e9 de l'Allaine, une rivi\u00e8re magnifique qui s'\u00e9coule paisiblement dans un d\u00e9cor de r\u00eave, est un sujet de pr\u00e9occupation, en particulier dans les milieux de d\u00e9fense de l'environnement et chez les p\u00eacheurs. Cette rivi\u00e8re est victime d'un probl\u00e8me de colmatage, c'est-\u00e0-dire un probl\u00e8me de d\u00e9p\u00f4t d'importantes quantit\u00e9s de mati\u00e8res argileuses et calcaires, source de perturbation du milieu aquatique.</p>\n<p>Ce probl\u00e8me est apparu \u00e0 partir des ann\u00e9es 1970 en rapport avec la mise en service de la place d'armes de Bure. Des milliers de tonnes d'argile, provenant du lavage des v\u00e9hicules militaires, se sont d\u00e9vers\u00e9es dans la rivi\u00e8re. Avec des cons\u00e9quences \u00e9cologiques irr\u00e9parables, en particulier l'an\u00e9antissement de populations d'\u00e9crevisses \u00e0 pattes blanches et de lamproies de Planer, des esp\u00e8ces prot\u00e9g\u00e9es au niveau suisse. Ce probl\u00e8me identifi\u00e9 et reconnu malheureusement un peu tard, des travaux importants ont \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9alis\u00e9s sur la place d'armes avec la construction de plusieurs bassins de r\u00e9tention-d\u00e9cantation-filtration, avec un r\u00e9sultat b\u00e9n\u00e9fique incontestable.</p>\n<p>Mais comme mentionn\u00e9 dans la question 12.1035, \"Place d'armes de Bure et protection des eaux\", et par l'interm\u00e9diaire du pr\u00e9sent postulat, le probl\u00e8me n'est pas r\u00e9solu. En cas de fortes pluies, le lessivage de mati\u00e8re argileuse continue et la place d'armes de Bure reste suspecte de porter une responsabilit\u00e9 dans tous les cas partielle mais certainement pr\u00e9pond\u00e9rante dans cette situation. Pourquoi? me direz-vous. Parce qu'en fonction de la turbidit\u00e9 r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement anormale observ\u00e9e dans les affluents de l'Allaine provenant du bassin versant sur lequel est justement install\u00e9e la place d'armes et vu l'importance des quantit\u00e9s d'argile en cause, la place d'armes de Bure para\u00eet clairement \u00eatre le suspect num\u00e9ro un.</p>\n<p>Par ailleurs, ce postulat a d\u00e9j\u00e0 en partie port\u00e9 ses fruits, car des contacts se sont impos\u00e9s entre l'Office de l'environnement du Canton du Jura et les responsables de ce dossier au niveau militaire \u00e0 Bure. J'ai appris par les instances cantonales jurassiennes que des travaux \u00e0 hauteur de trois millions de francs sont en cours de r\u00e9alisation. Il s'agit de travaux d'entretien, de r\u00e9glage et d'am\u00e9lioration des ouvrages existants permettant la r\u00e9tention des mati\u00e8res argileuses. Ces travaux devraient s'\u00e9taler jusqu'en 2018.</p>\n<p>C'est bien la preuve, malgr\u00e9 ce que pr\u00e9tend le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, que tout n'est pas sous contr\u00f4le. Alors, si l'on s'appr\u00eate \u00e0 d\u00e9penser 3 millions de francs pour ce probl\u00e8me, pourquoi ne pas investir quelques dizaines de milliers de francs suppl\u00e9mentaires pour r\u00e9aliser une \u00e9tude hydrog\u00e9ologique confi\u00e9e [PAGE 1703] \u00e0 un expert, qui permettra de mieux comprendre la probl\u00e9matique et de pr\u00e9ciser les solutions \u00e0 apporter?</p>\n<p>Ce postulat ne r\u00e9clame qu'une \u00e9tude, id\u00e9e d'ailleurs partag\u00e9e par le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, mais la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration souhaite se d\u00e9charger compl\u00e8tement sur le Canton du Jura. Cela n'est pas acceptable! Le pass\u00e9, marqu\u00e9 par des d\u00e9g\u00e2ts irr\u00e9parables \u00e0 l'environnement, et le pr\u00e9sent, avec la reconnaissance de fait de la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de travaux compl\u00e9mentaires sur la place d'armes de Bure, d\u00e9montrent \u00e0 l'\u00e9vidence l'implication majeure de la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration dans ce dossier.</p>\n<p>Je vous remercie de bien vouloir soutenir ce postulat.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20130926","MeetingVerbalixOid":2379,"IdSession":"4910","SpeakerFirstName":"Pierre-Alain","SpeakerLastName":"Fridez","SpeakerFullName":"Fridez Pierre-Alain","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":26,"CantonName":"Jura","CantonAbbreviation":"JU","ParlGroupName":"Sozialdemokratische Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"S","SortOrder":1,"Start":"\/Date(1380193884099)\/","End":"\/Date(1380194077456)\/","Function":"Mit-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877559501)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380193884100+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1380194077457+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null}]},"ID":"22838","Language":"DE","IdMeeting":"1509","VerbalixOid":422857,"SortOrder":13,"Modified":"\/Date(1774877559497)\/"}}