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Herr Parmelin hat die Diskussion sehr korrekt und umfassend wiedergegeben -: Die Pumpspeicherung ist enorm wichtig. Gott sei Dank sind zwei grosse Werke, Nant de Drance und Linth-Limmern, auch im Bau. F\u00fcr uns hat dieser Motionstext mehr eine Kompetenzfrage aufgeworfen, weil dem Bund derzeit Kompetenzen im Bereich der Wasserkraftnutzung fehlen. Ein Sachplan, wie er hier vorgeschlagen wird, ist grunds\u00e4tzlich ein sinnvolles Planungsinstrument. Es ist beh\u00f6rdenverbindlich - und nicht mehr. Deshalb kann man damit nat\u00fcrlich nicht eine Beschleunigung des Verfahrens im Verh\u00e4ltnis eins zu eins erwarten. 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Tout se d\u00e9roule plut\u00f4t rapidement et les objectifs de production devraient \u00eatre respect\u00e9s sans probl\u00e8me. Pour certains, l'auteur de la motion semble confondre les notions de pompage-turbinage et d'optimisation des capacit\u00e9s d'accumulation au moyen de la sur\u00e9l\u00e9vation des barrages de retenue. En ce sens, cette motion ne changera strictement rien.</p>\n<p>Pour d'autres, il serait plus judicieux d'intervenir pour soutenir directement le turbinage hydraulique qui sera fortement affect\u00e9 ces prochaines ann\u00e9es par l'augmentation impos\u00e9e des d\u00e9bits de restitution.</p>\n<p>Enfin, le fait que ce sont les cantons qui sont comp\u00e9tents en mati\u00e8re d'utilisation des eaux a \u00e9t\u00e9 soulign\u00e9 aussi bien par des membres de la commission que par le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral qui, pour cette raison entre autres, s'est d\u00e9clar\u00e9 oppos\u00e9 \u00e0 la motion. </p>\n<p>Outre ces constatations, il faut relever que la commission soeur du Conseil des Etats a propos\u00e9 \u00e0 son pl\u00e9num de rejeter cette motion, mais que ce dernier l'a d\u00e9savou\u00e9e sans la moindre discussion en l'approuvant par 29 voix contre 6. </p>\n<p>Une majorit\u00e9 de la commission estime cependant que l'\u00e9tablissement de plans sectoriels permettrait tout de m\u00eame d'acc\u00e9l\u00e9rer la mise en oeuvre de projets planifi\u00e9s en simplifiant les proc\u00e9dures en vigueur. 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