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Le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral vous invite lui aussi \u00e0 l'adopter.</p>\n<p>[VS]</p>\n<p><i>Angenommen - Adopt\u00e9</i></p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20080305","MeetingVerbalixOid":1643,"IdSession":"4802","SpeakerFirstName":"Andr\u00e9","SpeakerLastName":"Bugnon","SpeakerFullName":"Bugnon Andr\u00e9","SpeakerFunction":"P-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Conseil national","CantonId":22,"CantonName":"Vaud","CantonAbbreviation":"VD","ParlGroupName":"Groupe de l'Union d\u00e9mocratique du Centre","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"V","SortOrder":3,"Start":"\/Date(1204714946667)\/","End":"\/Date(1204714960761)\/","Function":"P-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877887085)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714946667+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714960760+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140700L,Language='FR')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140700L,Language='FR')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140700L,Language='FR')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140700L,Language='FR')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140700L,Language='FR')/Businesses"}},"ID":"140700","Language":"FR","IdSubject":"23843","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":435,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Nous nous d\u00e9terminons ici aussi comme deuxi\u00e8me conseil. La motion CSSS-CE charge le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral de \"proposer une r\u00e9glementation qui \u00e9tablisse clairement les r\u00e8gles de transparence et dans quelle mesure il peut \u00eatre octroy\u00e9 des rabais dans le cadre de la prescription et de la remise de m\u00e9dicaments et de dispositifs m\u00e9dicaux\".</p>\n<p>L'article 33 de la loi sur les produits th\u00e9rapeutiques interdit en principe aux personnes qui prescrivent ou remettent des m\u00e9dicaments de se faire promettre ou d'accepter des avantages mat\u00e9riels, afin d'\u00e9viter qu'il y ait des comp\u00e9rages et des pressions sur des m\u00e9decins, des h\u00f4pitaux, pour que des prescriptions plus abondantes ou plus on\u00e9reuses soient faites. Les exceptions \u00e0 cette interdiction concernent notamment les rabais usuels dans le commerce et justifi\u00e9s \u00e9conomiquement, qui se r\u00e9percutent directement sur les prix.</p>\n<p>Malgr\u00e9 cette formulation, nous avons eu au d\u00e9but de l'application de l'article quelques probl\u00e8mes avec l'approvisionnement des h\u00f4pitaux. En effet, les firmes pharmaceutiques avaient supprim\u00e9 les prix plus avantageux sous le coup de cet article 33, pensant qu'il \u00e9tait interdit de livrer aux h\u00f4pitaux \u00e0 des prix pr\u00e9f\u00e9rentiels. Cette question a pu \u00eatre plus ou moins r\u00e9gl\u00e9e, mais on assiste \u00e0 l'\u00e9mergence d'autres probl\u00e8mes. Par exemple, une pharmacie qui vend par correspondance paie un prix donn\u00e9, soit 5 francs par ordonnance re\u00e7ue des m\u00e9decins et 3 francs par ligne de m\u00e9dicaments prescrite par les m\u00e9decins. Et malgr\u00e9 l'article 33, on ne voit pas qu'on agisse contre ces pratiques qui induisent une prescription plus importante qu'elle ne le serait n\u00e9cessairement ou alors qui donnent aux prescripteurs un avantage qui n'est pas permis et qui n'est pas souhaitable.</p>\n<p>La commission, qui \u00e9tait aussi charg\u00e9e d'examiner deux initiatives des cantons de Gen\u00e8ve et du Valais, qui ont finalement \u00e9t\u00e9 class\u00e9es, vous propose, \u00e0 l'unanimit\u00e9, d'adopter la motion CSSS-CE, pour que l'article 33 clarifie vraiment d'une fa\u00e7on indubitable les moments o\u00f9 il est permis d'octroyer un avantage, de surcro\u00eet non dommageable pour les co\u00fbts de la sant\u00e9.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20080305","MeetingVerbalixOid":1643,"IdSession":"4802","SpeakerFirstName":"Th\u00e9r\u00e8se","SpeakerLastName":"Meyer-Kaelin","SpeakerFullName":"Meyer-Kaelin Th\u00e9r\u00e8se","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-F","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Conseil national","CantonId":10,"CantonName":"Fribourg","CantonAbbreviation":"FR","ParlGroupName":"Groupe PDC/PEV/PVL","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"M-E","SortOrder":2,"Start":"\/Date(1204714773964)\/","End":"\/Date(1204714946667)\/","Function":"*","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877887082)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714773963+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714946667+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140701L,Language='FR')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140701L,Language='FR')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140701L,Language='FR')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140701L,Language='FR')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=140701L,Language='FR')/Businesses"}},"ID":"140701","Language":"FR","IdSubject":"23843","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":514,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Im Namen der Kommission beantrage ich Ihnen, die vorliegende Motion des St\u00e4nderates betreffend Kl\u00e4rung von Artikel 33 des Heilmittelgesetzes anzunehmen. Der Bundesrat wird mit dieser Motion beauftragt, eine Regelung vorzuschlagen, die Klarheit schafft \u00fcber die Transparenz und das zul\u00e4ssige Ausmass von Rabatten, die im Rahmen der Verschreibung und Abgabe von Arzneimitteln und Medizinprodukten gew\u00e4hrt werden k\u00f6nnen.</p>\n<p>Bei der Beratung des neuen Bundesgesetzes \u00fcber Arzneimittel und Medizinprodukte haben wir in Artikel 33 beschlossen, dass grunds\u00e4tzlich das Versprechen und Annehmen geldwerter Vorteile f\u00fcr Personen, die Arzneimittel verschreiben oder abgeben, verboten sind. Damit soll verhindert werden, dass Pharmaunternehmen im Bereich der Verschreibung und Abgabe von Medikamenten Druck auf \u00c4rzte und Spit\u00e4ler aus\u00fcben k\u00f6nnen. In der Praxis sah das etwas anders aus. Bisherige Rabattregelungen f\u00fchrten bei Grossabnehmern zu Problemen. Aufgrund dieser Problematik wurden zwei Standesinitiativen eingereicht, die dann - gekoppelt an die Motion des St\u00e4nderates - abgeschrieben wurden.</p>\n<p>Die Motion liegt uns nun vor. Der Bundesrat beantragt, die Motion anzunehmen. Aus diesem Grund kann ich es kurzmachen. Der St\u00e4nderat hat die Motion angenommen. In unserer Kommission haben wir an der Sitzung vom 14. September 2007 einstimmig die Annahme der Motion beschlossen. Es zeigt sich, dass tats\u00e4chlich Umsetzungsprobleme vorhanden sind. Wir beauftragen den Bundesrat, hier Formulierungen und L\u00f6sungen zu finden. Obwohl der Umfang relativ klein ist, scheint es uns wichtig, dass wir den Weg der st\u00e4nder\u00e4tlichen Motion weiterbeschreiten.</p>\n<p>Ich bitte Sie namens der Kommission, die Motion anzunehmen.</p>\n<p>[PAGE 83] </p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20080305","MeetingVerbalixOid":1643,"IdSession":"4802","SpeakerFirstName":"J\u00fcrg","SpeakerLastName":"Stahl","SpeakerFullName":"Stahl J\u00fcrg","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Conseil national","CantonId":1,"CantonName":"Zurich","CantonAbbreviation":"ZH","ParlGroupName":"Groupe de l'Union d\u00e9mocratique du Centre","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"V","SortOrder":1,"Start":"\/Date(1204714601933)\/","End":"\/Date(1204714773964)\/","Function":"*","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877887081)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714601933+0060)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1204714773963+0060)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null}]},"ID":"23843","Language":"FR","IdMeeting":"1553","VerbalixOid":264038,"SortOrder":8,"Modified":"\/Date(1774877887079)\/"}}