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Es wird also kein separater Bericht sein.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20210610","MeetingVerbalixOid":3430,"IdSession":"5110","SpeakerFirstName":"Ignazio","SpeakerLastName":"Cassis","SpeakerFullName":"Cassis Ignazio","SpeakerFunction":"VPBR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":27,"CantonName":"Tessin","CantonAbbreviation":"TI","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":4,"Start":"\/Date(1623318337478)\/","End":"\/Date(1623318365454)\/","Function":"VPBR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877028663)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623318337477+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623318365453+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284153L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284153L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284153L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284153L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284153L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"284153","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"53211","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":3828,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Das Postulat 21.3012 der Sicherheitspolitischen Kommission des Nationalrates fordert den Bundesrat auf, \u00fcber m\u00f6gliche Einsatzdoktrinen von autonomen Waffen und k\u00fcnstlicher Intelligenz sowie \u00fcber M\u00f6glichkeiten, wie sich die Schweiz international f\u00fcr ethische Standards einsetzen kann, Bericht zu erstatten. </p>\n<p>Der Bundesrat empfiehlt Annahme des Postulates, dies aus folgenden \u00dcberlegungen. Die Entwicklung autonomer F\u00e4higkeiten von Waffensystemen bietet je nach Kontext Chancen: Erstens f\u00fchrt sie zu gewissen milit\u00e4rischen Vorteilen und zweitens zu Autonomie; drittens kann k\u00fcnstliche Intelligenz helfen, die Zivilbev\u00f6lkerung und Zivilobjekte zu verschonen. Gleichzeitig bringt dieser Trend aber auch aussen- und sicherheitspolitische, v\u00f6lkerrechtliche sowie ethische Herausforderungen mit sich, dies insbesondere dann, wenn die Wirkung von autonomen Waffensystemen nicht vern\u00fcnftig vorhergesagt werden kann. Die Schweiz beteiligt sich deshalb aktiv an Expertengespr\u00e4chen zu autonomen Waffensystemen, die in Genf im Rahmen der UNO-Konvention \u00fcber bestimmte konventionelle Waffen erfolgen. </p>\n<p>Die Schweiz unterst\u00fctzt die Erarbeitung eines normativen und operationellen Rahmenwerkes. Dieses Rahmenwerk k\u00f6nnte das Fundament f\u00fcr ein rechtlich verbindliches Instrument legen und damit zu international klaren Regeln f\u00fchren. Die Sicherstellung der menschlichen Kontrolle und die Einhaltung des V\u00f6lkerrechts stehen dabei im Zentrum. Thematisiert werden aber auch ethische Aspekte. </p>\n<p>Le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral propose de r\u00e9aliser le postulat dans le cadre de la strat\u00e9gie de d\u00e9sarmement et de ma\u00eetrise des armements 2022-2025 actuellement en cours d'\u00e9laboration. Dans la strat\u00e9gie, la position de la Suisse sur les armes autonomes peut \u00eatre d\u00e9velopp\u00e9e premi\u00e8rement en vue de consid\u00e9rations de politique de s\u00e9curit\u00e9, donc de consid\u00e9rations doctrinales, deuxi\u00e8mement, en vue du processus international en cours.</p>\n<p>Ces processus parall\u00e8les, national et international, sont li\u00e9s. La strat\u00e9gie de d\u00e9sarmement et de ma\u00eetrise des armements 2022-2025 offre le format appropri\u00e9. En effet, les nouvelles technologies et leur impact sur la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 internationale seront au coeur de cette strat\u00e9gie. Des repr\u00e9sentants de diverses agences de l'administration f\u00e9d\u00e9rale participent aux travaux pr\u00e9paratoires, sous la direction de notre d\u00e9partement.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20210610","MeetingVerbalixOid":3430,"IdSession":"5110","SpeakerFirstName":"Ignazio","SpeakerLastName":"Cassis","SpeakerFullName":"Cassis Ignazio","SpeakerFunction":"VPBR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":27,"CantonName":"Tessin","CantonAbbreviation":"TI","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":2,"Start":"\/Date(1623318116548)\/","End":"\/Date(1623318314405)\/","Function":"VPBR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1774877028661)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623318116547+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623318314407+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284212L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284212L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284212L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284212L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284212L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"284212","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"53211","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":4260,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>La Commission de la politique de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 vous propose d'accepter un postulat visant \u00e0 obtenir un rapport sur les armes autonomes et l'intelligence artificielle dans le domaine militaire. En octobre 2020, la commission a d\u00e9battu plusieurs heures des nouvelles formes de guerre et de l'utilisation, entre autres, des drones - \u00e0 propos desquels vous avez adopt\u00e9 mardi le postulat 21.3013 de la CPS-N -, des armes autonomes et de l'intelligence artificielle.</p>\n<p>L'id\u00e9e des robots tueurs qui font la guerre \u00e0 la place des hommes a longtemps \u00e9t\u00e9 de l'ordre de la dystopie ou de la science-fiction. Ce n'est plus le cas. Dans un r\u00e9cent rapport d'experts pour le compte du Conseil de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de l'ONU sur l'application de l'embargo en Libye, on peut lire qu'il n'est pas impossible que, pour la premi\u00e8re fois, des drones aient \u00e9t\u00e9 utilis\u00e9s pour cibler et tuer des soldats de mani\u00e8re autonome, sans aucune intervention humaine significative. C'est un changement important.</p>\n<p>Dans sa r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 l'interpellation 21.3223 que j'ai d\u00e9pos\u00e9e en mars dernier sur le sujet, le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral donne sa vision du probl\u00e8me. Il estime que \"le d\u00e9veloppement de capacit\u00e9s autonomes dans les syst\u00e8mes d'armes est une tendance qui, outre les opportunit\u00e9s, pose \u00e9galement des d\u00e9fis en termes de politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re et de s\u00e9curit\u00e9, de droit (international) et d'\u00e9thique\". Le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral estime qu'en fonction \"du type d'engagement et de son contexte, les syst\u00e8mes \u00e0 autonomie accrue pourraient am\u00e9liorer la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et contribuer \u00e0 \u00e9pargner les personnes et les biens civils\". Il estime en revanche que les syst\u00e8mes d'armes l\u00e9tales autonomes \"en mesure d'utiliser la force de mani\u00e8re autonome sans aucun contr\u00f4le humain ne sont ni dans l'int\u00e9r\u00eat de la Suisse ni admissibles en vertu du droit international\".</p>\n<p>La Suisse a particip\u00e9 aux travaux pour l'\u00e9laboration des onze principes directeurs dans le cadre de la Convention internationale sur l'interdiction ou la limitation de l'emploi de certaines armes classiques. Elle participe donc d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e0 un cadre international et remplit ainsi d\u00e9j\u00e0 en partie la deuxi\u00e8me demande formul\u00e9e dans le postulat, qui vise \u00e0 s'engager internationalement en faveur de standards \u00e9thiques.</p>\n<p>Pour le reste, le postulat vise \u00e0 ce que le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral examine quels pourraient \u00eatre les effets des armes autonomes sur l'infrastructure de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de la Suisse et quelle sera la doctrine d'engagement de l'arm\u00e9e \u00e0 ce sujet.</p>\n<p>Une minorit\u00e9 de la commission estime que ce postulat est superflu, que le probl\u00e8me est int\u00e9ressant mais qu'un rapport n'apporterait finalement pas grand-chose. Elle estime que les informations disponibles, par exemple sur Internet, sont suffisantes et que la Suisse n'a pas un poids suffisant pour peser dans les d\u00e9cisions internationales.</p>\n<p>La commission vous propose, par 14 voix contre 8 et 1 abstention, d'accepter le postulat.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"N","MeetingDate":"20210610","MeetingVerbalixOid":3430,"IdSession":"5110","SpeakerFirstName":"Fabien","SpeakerLastName":"Fivaz","SpeakerFullName":"Fivaz Fabien","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":1,"CouncilName":"Nationalrat","CantonId":24,"CantonName":"Neuenburg","CantonAbbreviation":"NE","ParlGroupName":"Gr\u00fcne Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"G","SortOrder":1,"Start":"\/Date(1623317949790)\/","End":"\/Date(1623318109956)\/","Function":"*","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1774877028657)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623317949790+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1623318109957+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284246L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284246L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284246L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284246L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=284246L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"284246","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"53211","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":3890,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Herr Bundesrat, ich habe eine kurze Frage. Sie haben jetzt ausgef\u00fchrt, dass das bereits am Laufen sei, auch mit den Organisationen in Genf, und dass Sie in diesem Bereich eigentlich bereits t\u00e4tig seien. Was ist jetzt genau der Mehrwert dieses Berichtes? 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