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Gesch\u00e4tzter Herr Bundesrat, vielen Dank f\u00fcr die Antwort. Es kommt heraus, dass es eine absolut vernachl\u00e4ssigbare Menge ist, die da an Sch\u00fcssen geliefert w\u00fcrde. Die Frage, was das f\u00fcr die Neutralit\u00e4t des Landes bedeuten w\u00fcrde, haben Sie aber nicht beantwortet. Es kommt nachher in einer n\u00e4chsten Frage dann auch noch von Kollege Gugger - man sieht, da wollen ja Leute noch Notrecht anwenden, um jetzt sofort zu liefern. Gem\u00e4ss Haager Abkommen m\u00fcsste man dann auch der anderen Kriegspartei etwas liefern. Was w\u00fcrde eine solche Lieferung f\u00fcr die Neutralit\u00e4t des Landes bedeuten, bzw. was h\u00e4tte sie bedeutet?

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La demande au SECO portait sur environ 12 400 cartouches. Il n'est pas possible de dire exactement combien de temps elles permettent de tirer, car la consommation de munitions, et donc la dur\u00e9e d'utilisation, varie si le char vise des cibles a\u00e9riennes ou des cibles terrestres. Selon l'estimation du SECO, l'importance militaire de cette quantit\u00e9 de munitions semble faible.

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Selon les enqu\u00eates men\u00e9es par le SECO, ce type de munitions peut \u00e9galement \u00eatre produit en Allemagne.

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Le SECO a r\u00e9pondu n\u00e9gativement \u00e0 la possibilit\u00e9 de transf\u00e9rer les munitions en question \u00e0 l'Ukraine, en se r\u00e9f\u00e9rant \u00e0 la neutralit\u00e9 suisse et aux crit\u00e8res de refus imp\u00e9ratifs de la l\u00e9gislation suisse sur le mat\u00e9riel de guerre.

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Monsieur B\u00fcchel, merci pour votre question compl\u00e9mentaire. Le droit d'urgence, le \"Notrecht\", de la Constitution f\u00e9d\u00e9rale n'est pr\u00e9vu que pour les cas d'urgence absolue, soit des cas qui menacent imm\u00e9diatement la Suisse. En plus, le droit d'urgence est destin\u00e9 aux actes pour lesquels il n'y a pas de base l\u00e9gale. Ici, ce n'est pas le cas, il y a une base l\u00e9gale: la loi sur le mat\u00e9riel de guerre. Concernant plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment l'aspect de la neutralit\u00e9, le droit de la neutralit\u00e9 est clair: vous devez traiter de la m\u00eame fa\u00e7on les deux parties qui sont impliqu\u00e9es. En plus, ici, elles sont impliqu\u00e9es dans un conflit; donc, clairement, il n'y a pas de marge de manoeuvre: une d\u00e9rogation n'est pas possible. C'est ainsi que le Conseil f\u00e9d\u00e9ral et le SECO en ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9.

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