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Vous imaginez bien que les \u00e9valuations sont nombreuses et qu'elles sont issues de diff\u00e9rents cercles, qu'elles ont diff\u00e9rentes origines. Elles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 lanc\u00e9es tr\u00e8s t\u00f4t. Les premi\u00e8res \u00e9valuations ont \u00e9t\u00e9 lanc\u00e9es sur mandat de la Chancellerie f\u00e9d\u00e9rale, alors que la pand\u00e9mie \u00e9tait plut\u00f4t dans sa premi\u00e8re phase, donc tr\u00e8s t\u00f4t. D'autres \u00e9valuations ont suivi. L'Office f\u00e9d\u00e9ral de la sant\u00e9 publique a \u00e9galement mandat\u00e9 des externes pour le faire. L'\u00e9valuation des Commissions de gestion a \u00e9t\u00e9 extr\u00eamement int\u00e9ressante pour nous. L'\u00e9valuation des cantons a \u00e9t\u00e9 un peu plus critique, parce que les cantons ont vu une partie, mais toutes ces \u00e9valuations se compl\u00e8tent et forment un ensemble qui, finalement, est assez complet. Ces travaux vont se poursuivre.</p>\n<p>La diff\u00e9rence d'appr\u00e9ciation que nous avons peut-\u00eatre avec vous, Monsieur Noser, est que nous avons eu l'impression que vous aviez des attentes tr\u00e8s \u00e9lev\u00e9es envers un groupe d'experts ind\u00e9pendants. Mais qu'est-ce qu'un expert ind\u00e9pendant relativement \u00e0 cette question? Qu'est-ce que cela pourrait signifier? Si on y voyait une intention, elle pourrait \u00eatre de dire que tous les experts qui travaillent actuellement sur cette question se connaissent et r\u00e9p\u00e8tent que tout a \u00e9t\u00e9 bien fait, alors qu'il faudrait que des experts critiques nous disent qu'en fait ce n'\u00e9tait pas bien. C'est plus compliqu\u00e9 que cela. Evidemment, tout le monde, chaque expert, chaque personne qui se confronte \u00e0 l'analyse de cette question va toujours le faire par rapport \u00e0 une perspective concr\u00e8te et \u00e0 un positionnement concret. La multiplication des \u00e9tudes, avec diff\u00e9rents \u00e9l\u00e9ments qui viennent se compl\u00e9ter, offre la meilleure image possible pour se faire une id\u00e9e compl\u00e8te de la situation.</p>\n<p>Dans ce cadre, je mentionne que deux programmes nationaux de recherche sont mis en oeuvre sur ces questions. Cela m'a naturellement l'air assez important, aussi pour la pr\u00e9paration \u00e0 de futures pand\u00e9mies. Vous aurez remarqu\u00e9 quand m\u00eame que, durant la pand\u00e9mie, on a \u00e9galement eu [PAGE 733] des appr\u00e9ciations tr\u00e8s controvers\u00e9es et tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rentes sur la situation. Tout cela doit nous conduire \u00e0 pouvoir tirer les enseignements les plus utiles possibles pour la gestion de futures pand\u00e9mies. On verra ces r\u00e9sultats, notamment ceux du programme national de recherche PNR 80 \"COVID-19 et soci\u00e9t\u00e9\", et ce que l'on pourra en faire. On aura ces r\u00e9sultats \u00e0 partir de 2026. A ce moment, on devra voir s'il existe des lacunes, qui devraient \u00eatre analys\u00e9es par une commission d'experts. Il faudrait avoir naturellement des experts internationaux pour le faire, parce que les experts suisses ont naturellement \u00e9t\u00e9 dans le m\u00eame bateau que nous. Les experts internationaux \u00e9galement, mais dans d'autres pays. </p>\n<p>Ecoutez, on peut tourner cela comme on veut, mais d\u00e8s que l'on passe une fronti\u00e8re, on se rend quand m\u00eame compte que la gestion de la pand\u00e9mie a \u00e9t\u00e9 chez nous un peu diff\u00e9rente de celles d'autres pays. Cela sera donc int\u00e9ressant de voir ce que disent les experts d'autres pays sur ce que nous avons fait. C'est un peu cela que vous pourriez souhaiter. Cela peut donc \u00eatre r\u00e9alis\u00e9 en compl\u00e9ment \u00e0 toutes les autres \u00e9tudes. C'\u00e9tait dans ce sens que l'on proposait d'accepter le postulat, mais en rappelant \u00e0 la vice-pr\u00e9sidente du Conseil des Etats, que beaucoup d'\u00e9valuations sont \u00e9videmment en cours et que cela doit encore se poursuivre avec ce programme national de recherche, et \u00e9galement ensuite avec la possibilit\u00e9 de mobiliser des experts internationaux. </p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"S","MeetingDate":"20230913","MeetingVerbalixOid":3745,"IdSession":"5122","SpeakerFirstName":"Alain","SpeakerLastName":"Berset","SpeakerFullName":"Berset Alain","SpeakerFunction":"BPR-M","CouncilId":99,"CouncilName":"Bundesrat","CantonId":10,"CantonName":"Freiburg","CantonAbbreviation":"FR","ParlGroupName":null,"ParlGroupAbbreviation":null,"SortOrder":4,"Start":"\/Date(1694603188830)\/","End":"\/Date(1694603419050)\/","Function":"BPR-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"FR","Modified":"\/Date(1699987610580)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1694603188830+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1694603419050+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324837L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324837L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324837L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324837L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324837L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"324837","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"61579","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":1153,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Ich m\u00f6chte mich beim Bundesrat daf\u00fcr bedanken, dass er das Postulat zur Annahme empfiehlt. Da er voll und ganz mit meiner Begr\u00fcndung einverstanden ist, verzichte ich auf ein Votum.</p>\n</pd_text>","MeetingCouncilAbbreviation":"S","MeetingDate":"20230913","MeetingVerbalixOid":3745,"IdSession":"5122","SpeakerFirstName":"Ruedi","SpeakerLastName":"Noser","SpeakerFullName":"Noser Ruedi","SpeakerFunction":"Mit-M","CouncilId":2,"CouncilName":"St\u00e4nderat","CantonId":1,"CantonName":"Z\u00fcrich","CantonAbbreviation":"ZH","ParlGroupName":"FDP-Liberale Fraktion","ParlGroupAbbreviation":"RL","SortOrder":2,"Start":"\/Date(1694603124147)\/","End":"\/Date(1694603137493)\/","Function":"Mit-M","DisplaySpeaker":true,"LanguageOfText":"DE","Modified":"\/Date(1699987610563)\/","StartTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1694603124147+0120)\/","EndTimeWithTimezone":"\/Date(1694603137493+0120)\/","VoteBusinessNumber":null,"VoteBusinessShortNumber":null,"VoteBusinessTitle":null},{"__metadata":{"id":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324839L,Language='DE')","uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324839L,Language='DE')","type":"itsystems.Pd.DataServices.DataModel.Transcript"},"Subjects":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324839L,Language='DE')/Subjects"}},"MembersCouncil":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324839L,Language='DE')/MembersCouncil"}},"Businesses":{"__deferred":{"uri":"https://ws.parlament.ch/OData.svc/Transcript(ID=324839L,Language='DE')/Businesses"}},"ID":"324839","Language":"DE","IdSubject":"61579","VoteId":null,"PersonNumber":4239,"Type":1,"Text":"<pd_text><p>Ich bin selbstverst\u00e4ndlich nicht gegen die Annahme dieses Postulates; ich unterst\u00fctze das Anliegen. 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